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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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were touching outside the sphere

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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worldwide phenomenon

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and we're

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kicking off 2022 with a show about

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2021 joining me for this highlight show

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is dan how are we done i'm great thank

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you happy new year

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happy new year to you too and dan let's

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kick off uh very quickly talking about

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your your fundraiser trying to get you

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to colombia because we've had enough of

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you here in the uk

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as we talk it is the 2nd of january half

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past 3 where are we at with the

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fundraiser and what are you looking for

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still so we are up to

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1078 which is incredible uh we're

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looking for 1500. uh it would just help

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me cover the cost of getting there the

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accommodation and you know helping

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investigate the the phenomena that's on

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that mountain

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awesome now you've probably heard in the

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announcement show or seen on social

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media what we're doing and why the

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description for that will again be in

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the link for the show people have been

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incredibly generous and listen we're

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always honest and we are very aware that

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uh as part of the podcast dan's just

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helped raise a huge amount of money for

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two charities and we're going out at a

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really difficult time of year and asking

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people to to help us send down to a

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beautiful south american country for a

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week or so to to investigate the

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phenomenon which as much as he's going

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to love to do that he is representing

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people like yourselves that want uh to

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do that kind of stuff but you know not

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everyone can get there it's a lot of

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money and it came up very last minute

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which is why we're having to do this so

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it's a huge hugely appreciated for

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anyone who has managed to donate and if

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you haven't even just sharing the link

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or liking it would be would be much

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appreciated at this time but i think

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we're both pretty amazed at how quickly

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that the the money seems to have racked

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yeah it's incredible people have been so

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supportive i'm so blessed and humbled by

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it um but like you say it's it's to

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go and make a documentary to investigate

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the phenomena and share what we find

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there um you know we'll get to it later

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talking about what what i feel about

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bidenstein in the bill this year but um

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but i feel it's a starting gun for stuff

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like this to happen

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yeah and the ashley kevin interview that

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comes out in the next couple of hours

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will be available uh and we do talk to

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ashley who is making the documentary

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about the project what it hopes to

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achieve why people like dan should be

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involved um so hopefully you can listen

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to that and that will give you even more

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of an emphasis or understanding of why

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we're doing what we're doing so please

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check that one out with ashley kelly but

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anyway listen dan we're into 2022 it's a

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couple of days old there have been no

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new pandemics or anything yet uh that's

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always a good sign

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however 2021 there were there were quite

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a few highlights when it came to ufos um

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a regular conversation or i don't want

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to say argument but debate you have

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online with people

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is that there's nothing happening and

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there's been no news and no new videos

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since 2017 2018

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and everything seems to have slowed down

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and that's not the case i mean we weed

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on one of the kgra shows based on

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political statements from from just a

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couple of years

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to show where politicians had come from

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and where they were now in terms of

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talking about the ufo subject on the

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mainstream media and all that kind of

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stuff and i think that opened up a lot a

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lot of people's eyes that when you take

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a step back and look at a timeline of

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events you go wow a lot has happened and

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2021 was no different to that what i

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done was put out onto the patreon to ask

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people to submit their own highlights

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for 2021 just to give us a frame to to

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talk about some things as well and

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people were fantastic in getting in

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touch so we've picked some of those to

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discuss as part of this highlights

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package and what we'll do is we'll

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finish off talking about what we hope

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for in 2022 when it comes to ufos

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so we'll kick off dan with matt and matt

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said probably one of the most obvious

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ones but it's got to be up there

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definitely for matt the gillibrand

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amendment he's been waiting 42 years for

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this dan it seems like a really obvious

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one but it's got to be up there i

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suppose in the top two or three doesn't

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it yeah absolutely it's resulted in the

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first congressional mandate on uap or

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ufos in history it's a big big big big

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deal and we're seeing a bit of arm

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wrestling now from the dod over it um

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and you you can kind of feel them

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sweating i think

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now that's a good chance actually to

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clear up something a couple of days ago

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roger glassell who

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writes and comments on on the ufo

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subject as well um had mentioned on

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twitter that he had emailed susan go

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who mentioned that the aoi msg would be

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fully compliant that's not the exact

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word was it but i'm sure you can find it

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for us dan with the the ndaa

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requirements and roger took this to mean

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that there'd be no ufo office it would

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be taken over by the aoi msg and again

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i'm coming from a place where i'm no

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expert in this especially in foreign you

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know politics and exo politics but

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that's not how i read susan go's

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statement all i saw she was saying to

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him was quite generic and basically that

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the office that would be created under

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aoi msg or what they would be doing

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would be would be in a way regulated

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by the ndaa and that was it it didn't

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say anything to me that that would be

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the ufo office going forward and that's

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how you took it as well wasn't it yeah

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100 you you know you you read um i've

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got the statement here if you'd like me

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to read yeah go for it it's not too long

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it just says uh susan says roger the

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department will take necessary steps to

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comply with any enacted legislation on

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november 23rd deputy secretary hicks

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established the airborne object

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identification and management

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synchronization group and the airborne

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object identification and management

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executive council to provide oversight

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as you may recall we've been developing

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implementing guidance for the aoi msg

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we're now working with the odni on the

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implementing guidance to ensure that the

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aoi msg meets congressional intent we

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have nothing else to announce at this

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time that phrase there congressional

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intent is really important because the

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intent of the jill brown amendment is to

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have oversight of this investigation

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if the aoi msg

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kind of if that became the office there

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is not really any oversight away from

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the people who have kept this you know

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in a dark cupboard for the past god

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knows how long anyway and who's been

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messing it up um so i i don't think that

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it fits the congressional mandate and it

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kind of needs a complete overhaul

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where it is in the government

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organization to even begin to meet the

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congressional you know uh requirements

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so you know just make a new office and

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give it a different name astro is pretty

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yeah now what the way i kind of

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imagine that the the us government was

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delivery service but another branch

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within the us government decided they

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they would still have to adhere to the

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the us government's mandate and the

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rules for partial delivery if the us

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government then decided

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as part of an amendment this is going to

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be the main office and this is what we

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want to to look after partial delivery

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and deliver parcels it doesn't mean that

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there couldn't be another delivery

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service but they would all just have to

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adhere to the same rules one might

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completely gazump the other though so i

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hope that analogy made sense but that's

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what i was kind of saying on the spot to

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to to roger glassell that it doesn't

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seem like the two can't exist together

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but it seems a little bit pointless and

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posturing there isn't another for the

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aoi msg to suddenly announce you know

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what actually okay fair enough we'll

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we'll totally dissolve before we've even

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got going and we'll just leave this to

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the to the gillibrand amendment and the

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office that may end up being asked or or

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something along those lines

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i don't think they're going to do that

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yet are they because the whole idea is

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away from

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from where it should rightly sit

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um you know listeners might not know uh

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because it's the kind of thing we post

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on twitter and we talk about over there

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um but susan goff the the spokesperson

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for the department of defense um which

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is a new title by the way she actually

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wrote a paper in 2003 called the

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evolution of strategic influence um

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basically how to sigh up in the history

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of psyops um susan is very well studied

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in this area i'd recommend just google

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that title the evolution of strategic

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influence and i'll come up and you can

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have a flick through um but you'll see

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that she is essentially saying that

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psyops aren't a bad thing and that kind

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of centralizing control is actually real

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helpful it wasn't long after that that

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she took control of the uap

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communications for the dod um and rather

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than you know being kicked out on a butt

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for undermining the four-year process

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has been given seemingly a promotion to

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the department of defense spokesperson

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so she's gone from one department to a

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full umbrella so this is even more

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reason for me that it needs to be

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outside of that umbrella just because

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the these people are playing games susan

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know what she knows what she's doing and

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roger i'm gonna use a strong word here

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roger spread a little propaganda there

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to muddy the waters and i bet susan was

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happy about it

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yeah and whether it was the case or not

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i i don't know roger i know him that

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well at all and i know what you're

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saying

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it just seems like if you are going to

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jump on a statement like that and push

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out as well this is the fact because

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it's an interpretation then you've

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probably got your own leanings and

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an agenda in terms of the subject anyway

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and you're just fitting

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a rather vague commentary into your own

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agenda to say well this is what this

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means so no news here

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and that's that's not the way to look at

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that because it was very politician it

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was very vague it was very generic and

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didn't really see a whole our friend

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graham rendell commented it was one of

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those statements where it says a whole

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lot without seeing anything at all

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um yeah 100

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it it sounds like a a statement from a

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losing football manager as the other

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team are doing the dance in the end zone

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yeah it's the whole we go again next

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week for for football fans i'll know

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that one

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um but yeah no listen gillibrand

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amendment is something that's going to

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play a big part in this year and i'm

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sure later at the end of the pod when we

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talk about what we're looking forward to

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this year

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dan's going to bring up a few dates and

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that we can look forward to on the

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calendars as well that will no doubt

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have that as an involvement

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joe was next up and joe said for me

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there were a few highlights and i've got

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to give you all yeah

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absolute props for this first one

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ross coltar's book and the fact that it

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convinced my friends uh and myself of

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many aspects of the phenomenon i i will

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add to that joel not just the book but

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the documentary roston um was a

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fantastic piece for for those outside of

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of the ufo community because it really

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has had an impact on the mainstream as

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well

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to the point that channel 7 that

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produced it

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allowed the recent follow-up to be made

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as well which was a mishmash of the

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original with some updated commentary

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within that as well um and i when i get

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to my kind of highlights i've got i've

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got ross in there as part of that

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because

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i think if ross coldheart himself is a

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mainstream journalist who's done some

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pretty hard hitting stories and big

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pieces even now outside of ufos

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has come into the subject in a big way

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and that can only help push this

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conversation forward dan isn't it yeah

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exactly um you know the the name of the

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game is to like we we know these things

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are out there you know we've got the

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paperwork to prove the conspiracy even

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john greenwald from blackvault admits

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you know we'll back you on the statement

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of we can prove the conspiracy that's

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the easiest part of all this um

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so more journalists coming on board and

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digging into this and showing that it's

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real will just prompt more journalists

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to come on board i have a feeling that

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sometimes through the next year we're

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going to be seeing you know a few maybe

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kind of media outlets that

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we've noted missing i feel like they've

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been working in the background this

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whole time getting something ready you

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know i i don't think they can just dump

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10 minute pieces it's going to be we'll

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see some kind of somber look here well

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it's worth mentioning that as we talked

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last night on channel 5 in the uk and to

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be fair channel 5's not a bastion of

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news excellence or or commentary for

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society it's got some pretty

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questionable shows that it puts out as

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trash tv

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however it showed a ufo documentary last

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night that i caught a couple of minutes

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of it i've still to watch it but i look

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at our friend you know

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adam goldsack as someone who is probably

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pretty hard to please in this subject

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and he himself said it was quite good

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so it seems that it struck a relatively

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decent tone i saw just a couple of

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minutes of it that had kevin day and

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they were talking about the nimitz event

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and yeah from what i saw i was like yep

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fair enough and there was a few things i

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said as i was kind of standing

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watching it and my wife had it on

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which was great to see she was watching

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a ufo documentary when i wasn't there i

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was busy editing an interview um i said

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oh they've not mentioned this and then

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within a few seconds they mentioned the

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point i just made

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and i was like ah okay cool so

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i've got to give them props then it

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seems like they've done a decent job of

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it um

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yeah that would be a very good sign that

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we've got a ufo documentary being put

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out in the uk that's not all lol aliens

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flying saucers little green men

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it was a hell of a lot better than jj

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abrams effort i'll say that um it was

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actually a sambal looker it had a lot of

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the same people but it didn't use the

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editing in the same way it more

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presented the mystery and said what is

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this um

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usually when things get to the limits

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now you know we've seen it so many times

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in documentaries that i get a bit like

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oh okay you know it's kind of fun seeing

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how they represent it but we know the

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story um right after the nimitz they did

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something unexpected um and usually you

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know that's where we go to the school

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landings or we go into the men in black

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stuff they actually went to hess darling

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and spoke about the hairstyle and lights

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and how anomalous they were so it wasn't

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just oh hey you know this might have

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been ball lightning out there um it was

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more

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there's a bonafide mystery here and

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there were a lot of similarities between

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these two things and scientists have

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been trying to study it but the funding

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isn't there and you know that that's an

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excellent point coming into the uh after

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you know galileo and everything they're

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starting to receive money to actually

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start these research initiatives

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joe mentioned a few more um the next

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stop he said louis lozondo's interview

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with cut joy mungo or he said interviews

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um of which loaded a couple which were

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very good but his um two and a half hour

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longest ever luilazondo interview was

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was really great and again this is

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something i mentioned cut and with my

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highlights of the year and i'll get to

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that later but

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he got a lot out of lu

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in a really long form conversation but i

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would i would bite your hand off for for

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even half of that time with lou which is

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hard to get but it was great someone

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like kurt got that time and was able to

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ask the questions that he was asking so

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i'm i'm totally with him on that one dan

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you asked did you ask a question within

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that you were in the live chat yesterday

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there was actually a portion where you

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know i wish i could frame and put on my

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wall like one of those moving harry

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potter pictures um

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i asked my question and lou kind of

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caved and was like yeah i know what he's

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doing he's trying to pull some

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information out of me for people and he

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gave me a nice big compliment and that

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that was actually one of the highlights

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of my year

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i don't blame you but yeah and carter

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will come up again later on um a few

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more from joe the publication of

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children of orion by ryan musgrave evans

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uh he thinks they'll be seen as more

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significant in the future not one i've

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seen or heard of but i'll check that out

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um the reading of change of the sea by

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the paranormal podcast on the

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recommendation of loyola zondo changing

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the sea dan we've touched on this a few

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times but i still see it come up in in

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various um chats and it happened on

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patreon on the discord and i've seen it

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on twitter as well i've got my copy of

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change if they see here

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as it's something that at this point

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people look too much into

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because of a comment lou made about it

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just being an interesting book but

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everyone's jumped on it as if it's some

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secret message within it or am i wrong i

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i would agree with you uh it was a book

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that was recommended to lou by douglas

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dean johnson uh you'll see him around

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he's been covering the the uap bill

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going from congress and he brought her

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up to loop because it does it approaches

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the phenomena from an interesting point

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of view um you know the craft in the

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book move in a similar way to what we're

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used to but it talks about a shadow

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biosphere i.e a world that we can't see

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because it exists in infrared and

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various other places like that and and

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the idea is that they're here but

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they're not here for us and actually

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we're kind of a nuisance on the planet

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um it's it's a really interesting look

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at the phenomena but yeah there's

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nothing you know lou isn't kind of

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giving it with a wink and kind of saying

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yeah this has happened

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he's more giving it as a way to you know

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sci-fi is an amazing way to get people

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to think about

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profound problems and issues but in a

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really simplistic way and i think that

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book or that short story does that

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really well

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yeah if you've got time it's worth

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checking out give it a read that's an

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interesting take some interesting

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opinions and no doubt some of it may fit

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in with your own ideas of what or may

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not may or may not be happening with the

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phenomenon but i think a good example of

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that is recently

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i can't remember where it was i saw

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blue had commented on twitter

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that he was listening to

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an ac dc song

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i think it was and loads of people

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started commenting that what's this got

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to do with ufos you know what you're

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trying to say here and i i don't i don't

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think it had anything to do with that he

529
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was just commenting that he liked a

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particular song

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and lou was like yeah nothing behind it

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folks i'm just saying and people were

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like oh do you mean it's in relation to

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the task force report or is it in

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relation to this and it's just like but

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i suppose it's that that point in lew's

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he's a celebrity let's be honest that's

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that's what he is um in in every way

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shape and form people are going to do

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with with his kind of recommendations

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given on what he knows or we we pertain

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he knows so that was interesting but

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yeah we'll have checking out chains of

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the sea we should also say he

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recommended this year

546
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,480
three body problem as well which again

547
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:54,160
civil avein it was a recommendation

548
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,679
because of how it's discussed and the

549
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ideas it talks about because the dark

550
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:59,360
forest theory isn't discussed in any

551
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:00,880
other book as far as i'm concerned

552
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,960
confined um but just google it have a

553
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,880
look there's a really cool video by uh a

554
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,200
channel called kyrgyzstat which is it

555
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:08,960
means in a nutshell in german and it

556
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,960
just distills the dark body theory that

557
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:13,039
that book series presents into a really

558
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:14,720
cool you know like 10 minute video

559
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,160
explaining you know what it is in the

560
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:19,120
implications for humanity

561
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,799
dan can you make a note that we'll put

562
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,480
the link for that interview in the

563
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,640
description of the show um or that end

564
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,799
piece and we'll get that up there i was

565
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,640
literally about to say to you um as you

566
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:30,480
came in there that people have been

567
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:32,320
asking us to share our thoughts and

568
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:34,480
review um the three body problem the

569
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:37,440
book i i have it i'm gonna read it i

570
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,320
will read it this month and um ideally

571
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,480
before you go to columbia if we could do

572
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,400
a pod just discussing the book and it's

573
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,799
it's theories and dark forest theory and

574
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:49,039
um what was really interesting i i

575
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,440
listened to a podcast called

576
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:54,080
what's a network called sans pants radio

577
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,840
and it's a bunch of australian comedians

578
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:56,960
that do a whole host of different

579
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,280
podcasts and so they're all really funny

580
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,520
i really enjoy listening to them i'm i'm

581
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:04,080
fully paid up member and they were

582
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,440
talking on one of their video game shows

583
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about the free body problem

584
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:10,960
because one of the hosts hadn't played

585
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,360
any games that week and mentioned he had

586
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,520
read the book the three body problem or

587
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,520
was halfway through it and he talked

588
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,880
about an aspect to the book where

589
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,559
there's a video game involved like an

590
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:22,640
interactive experience

591
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:26,080
and they they discussed all those potent

592
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,760
they they do talk about ufos now and

593
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,360
again but it's quite light-hearted and

594
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,600
having a bit of fun with it as a as just

595
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,480
a general mystery and they had a really

596
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:37,200
good conversation about it as well um

597
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so

598
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,679
yeah that was really interesting and

599
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,280
that really prompted me to go i really

600
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:43,280
have to get this read because if for

601
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,640
those australian comedians who don't

602
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,320
have a big interest in ufos reading the

603
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,080
book i should probably get my ass in

604
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,080
gear and do that as well so especially

605
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,520
ahead of netflix commissioning the

606
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:53,039
series which i don't want to be asking

607
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,240
and say you you want to get in there

608
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,320
before the netflix series comes out just

609
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,080
you know that it might be wonderful but

610
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,520
it's not going to be the book there will

611
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,960
be different things you know yeah i

612
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,159
promise i'll get that read over the next

613
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:03,919
couple of weeks folks is on my bedside

614
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,039
table um uh next up joe said the

615
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,039
publication of harrison valley's trinity

616
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,799
the best kept secret people can check

617
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:12,320
out my interview with paola harris on

618
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,360
the book

619
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:15,039
for me it was one of those and i think i

620
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,480
said at the time it's it's an

621
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,799
interesting case it was

622
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:20,720
it had a lot of build-up and hype not

623
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,520
necessarily the fall of pulahara sir

624
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:25,679
jack valley people thought the book

625
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,960
given it went up online with uh with a

626
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,640
cover then came down

627
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,240
was going to be the publication of the

628
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,919
meta material reports and there'd be

629
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,360
some interesting information and it

630
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,760
wasn't that but that's not their fault

631
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,720
um

632
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,880
and it turned out to be a book about a

633
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,960
case that happened before roswell a

634
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:44,480
couple of years before

635
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,240
and it probably lacked a lot of really

636
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,400
hard hating evidence we would look for

637
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,080
what it seemed to have was with some

638
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,720
interesting evidence based on the fact

639
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,320
jacques valley for example something i

640
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,880
really took away from it was

641
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,960
he talked about the or quite

642
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:02,880
controversially there was a picture of a

643
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,600
piece that people took to be from

644
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:08,320
inside of a ufo or this this downed

645
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,840
craft but it looked like one of our

646
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,520
typical joints or a hinge or a bracket

647
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:15,679
that we would use in some old-fashioned

648
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,799
machinery and on a recent podcast with

649
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,000
george knapp

650
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,080
jack fillet commented that

651
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,400
yes they commented this was apparently

652
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,120
from that craft he didn't say it was a

653
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:29,679
part of the crafto what he commented was

654
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:32,720
that it was likely there was

655
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,600
american military equipment used in the

656
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:37,679
propping up of the craft and also inside

657
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,640
the craft and this apparently fell off

658
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,240
from the inside

659
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,360
and was was taken from the craft so that

660
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,799
was a really interesting point that was

661
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,559
made by jack fillet and i recommend

662
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,320
anyone else dan if you don't mind making

663
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,080
a note for me i'll stick that one in the

664
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,080
description as well i'll find that it

665
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:55,440
was a really

666
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,440
with george knapp and jack valley but

667
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,440
yeah did you what did you make of the

668
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,200
book um i don't know if you managed to

669
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,960
read it in phil but obviously you know

670
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,880
the the idea in the story

671
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,039
yeah i i mean i agree with you it was a

672
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,720
really interesting book about an

673
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:12,400
interesting case

674
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,200
but

675
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,960
because the expectation was the

676
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,799
peer-reviewed paper that jack had spoken

677
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,480
about for so long it was just

678
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,640
disappointing for that reason you know

679
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,840
it doesn't mean there's nothing valuable

680
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,960
in it it was still an interesting

681
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,280
investigation um and the fact that they

682
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,960
can prove that this piece of equipment

683
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,039
was there where you know it is in the

684
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,840
story of the ufo crash and retrieval is

685
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,280
really interesting you know it's a

686
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,280
little bit of a compelling compelling

687
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,039
being like a bit of evidence that'll

688
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,360
keep people pulling that thread but it

689
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:41,200
wasn't the paper the paper actually came

690
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,880
out um in december december 10th um gary

691
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,559
nolan jack valley they were talking

692
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:48,159
about materials the paper is titled

693
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,080
improved instrumental techniques

694
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,559
including isotopic analysis applicable

695
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,480
to the characterization of unusual

696
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,400
materials with potential relevance to

697
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:58,960
aerospace forensics you can show walls

698
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,679
off the top yeah tldr we studied ufo

699
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:04,400
materials to see if they were different

700
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,120
um

701
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,960
and the paper kind of stands as a as a

702
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,400
guide to kind of how to do this in a

703
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,159
peer-reviewed manner there wasn't

704
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,159
necessarily anything anomalous found but

705
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,440
there were some interesting statements

706
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,000
in the paper and again it's just proof

707
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,000
that you can study these materials and

708
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:19,760
put them out to the scientific community

709
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,559
and get a peer-reviewed response um what

710
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,320
the paper didn't cover was the

711
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,559
experiences and and you know the

712
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,720
biological effects side of gary's work

713
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,039
um but that was covered in a in a great

714
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,880
vice article about the same time where

715
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,039
you spoke about how experiences seem to

716
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,120
have more white matter in their brains

717
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:38,960
between the chordate and the putsmen um

718
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,600
and and that's area is responsible for

719
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,919
intuition which i think is very

720
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:46,400
interesting because we talk a lot about

721
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,279
um

722
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,559
or i do at least you know i change the

723
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,799
word intuition out for kind of you know

724
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:52,080
people say psychic powers and i'm like

725
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,279
yeah it's intuition we're kind of

726
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,120
reading something we can all do it uh so

727
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,960
i found that real interesting that

728
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,880
that's what he found

729
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,360
folks if you listen on patreon apple

730
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,799
spotify then you're going to hear us

731
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,120
carry straight on otherwise if you're on

732
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,640
the free feeds thank you for checking

733
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:08,159
this out you'll hear us back in one

734
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,760
minute after this short advert

735
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:13,679
and we are back dan what was your

736
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:15,039
favorite part of that advert that was

737
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,159
played

738
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,360
uh it was the bit with the the advert

739
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,919
about the thing you know

740
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,760
absolutely yeah depending on where you

741
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,559
are folks you'll have heard the

742
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,559
regional-based advert but thank you for

743
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,400
checking that out and if you can support

744
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,720
the sponsors uh we roll on with agent

745
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,480
black agent black said given it's a

746
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,120
marathon of many moving parts and not a

747
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,240
sprint i think 2021 is the highlight

748
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,320
that's a proper dan cop out political

749
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,400
answer that one uh agent black says i

750
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:44,000
can't pick one moment this year that has

751
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,279
stood out for me as everything is

752
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,600
connected that said none of these

753
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,279
significant events would have happened

754
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,120
without the community pulling together

755
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,360
whether it was 60 minutes lou elizondo

756
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,600
the big phone home too ross's book the

757
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,360
press club or the multitude of awesome

758
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,200
podcasts there was also a lot of

759
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,880
grassroots work done by bits on the

760
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:02,960
ground with a multitude of letters and

761
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,679
emails to senators etc and i'll add in

762
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,440
there are people who are writing to uk

763
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,440
based politicians and i'm sure it

764
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,919
happened elsewhere in the world as well

765
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,440
so agent black wants to pick the

766
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,600
community for actively coming together

767
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,279
when everything else in the world seemed

768
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,520
to be split and divided it seems we can

769
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,279
work together when we focus and choose

770
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,039
to do the right thing that's a nice

771
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:24,720
sentiment that's a really nice one and

772
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,600
i'm going to throw in one of my

773
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,200
highlights here because it kind of backs

774
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,279
agent black's point uh one of my lights

775
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,480
my highlights of the year didn't happen

776
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:31,840
too long ago so people probably remember

777
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,200
it uh we raised 24 000

778
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,880
for humane society international and st

779
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,640
jude's children's research hospital it

780
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,720
was absolutely incredible to see what

781
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,480
the community can do when we come

782
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,960
together for something positive and

783
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,799
agent black is right you know this year

784
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,600
proved that we can move the world if we

785
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:51,679
all put our minds to it

786
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,640
yeah that was incredible and again it's

787
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,840
not something we're going to do too

788
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,440
often folks it's not a case of this

789
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,679
month's special charity is because we

790
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,760
are here to do shows and talk about ufos

791
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,559
and ufo news and speculation that's what

792
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,600
we're here for but again next christmas

793
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,159
next holiday season we'll get something

794
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,640
together again for for those kind of

795
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,559
causes and different charities as well

796
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,960
but yeah yeah i think the community i've

797
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,840
got to

798
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,000
appreciate and shout out because not

799
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,840
everyone's on social media but people

800
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,000
who are involved with the ufo subject

801
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,559
have allowed us to grow this podcast to

802
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,799
the level we are at whether that was

803
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,720
subscribing to the youtube channel just

804
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,720
listening to the the weekly or you know

805
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,399
shows have a couple of days

806
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,640
getting in touch again that's been my my

807
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,240
favorite thing and i'll give a shout out

808
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,080
earlier this year that if you listen to

809
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,679
the podcast and you aren't on social

810
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:44,159
media particularly drop us an email at

811
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,240
ufo uap am gmail.com uh because i loved

812
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,760
hearing from people last year all over

813
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,039
the world and how they listen to the

814
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,200
podcast and why they listen and just

815
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,559
their thoughts and opinions and i've

816
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,320
tried my best the last few days to catch

817
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,720
up on a lot of correspondence so so yeah

818
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,480
the community and anyone who listens to

819
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,880
this show particularly it really does

820
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,559
mean a lot to myself and i'm sure i can

821
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:06,960
say that for dan as well yeah yeah 100

822
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:10,000
um in fact it's so lovely that i'm just

823
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,440
going to give my the signal at

824
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,440
protonmail.com out if anyone wants to

825
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,240
say hi say hi

826
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,640
and um yeah like i say for people to to

827
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,480
give their hard earned cash for for dan

828
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,520
to go to colombia um i think next up in

829
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,200
march my wife wants me to do a

830
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,760
fundraiser for uh two weeks to dubai for

831
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,440
me and the family and we'll get that set

832
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,799
up um

833
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,880
no definitely not but yeah it's amazing

834
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,720
that you're getting down out there and

835
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,880
we will make sure i will make sure that

836
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,640
dan is put to work during his time out

837
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,480
there separately from all the work he's

838
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,240
going to be doing and creating a lot of

839
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,000
content and and getting you know

840
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,000
feedback for for you guys on the it

841
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,159
might even be like a week of short pods

842
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,000
from dan yeah sending me over voice

843
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,279
clips of what he's been doing and what's

844
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,640
happening just to let everyone know

845
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,120
because i i know dan will feel indebted

846
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,360
to everyone that's uh that's donated so

847
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,880
it really does mean a lot and that

848
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:01,200
community is a good a good shout out 100

849
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,399
if i go

850
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,919
they people are going to be fed up with

851
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,919
me live streaming on instagram about my

852
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,600
coffee at the airport and so on so forth

853
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,039
but we'll have some great conversations

854
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,559
along the way and i'm looking forward to

855
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,799
doing some interviews uh for something

856
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,480
that's upcoming um you know i'll talk to

857
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,240
some shamans and things like that so

858
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,919
we'll get some really really interesting

859
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,600
things out of it i think

860
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,000
awesome uh next up is a long time

861
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,919
listener and supporter of the podcast

862
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,399
big um big part of the discord channel

863
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:28,799
over there as well at gnosis

864
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,600
and you can also said uapx needs a

865
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,159
mention as the more i hear the better it

866
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,240
sounds uh i got on really well with gary

867
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,840
verheeson he's been on the show several

868
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,399
times and we're in regular contact as

869
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,240
well on on facebook and messenger and

870
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,399
stuff and i'm i'm really excited to see

871
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,399
what uapx can bring up

872
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,120
i think right now there's uh a ground

873
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:51,600
swell of hype coming out from from over

874
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,480
there

875
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,320
they have talked about the you know

876
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:57,120
terabytes of data that could be released

877
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,159
but

878
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,039
i could write a 10 000 page book

879
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,559
and only 10 of the pages are worth

880
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,159
reading so

881
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,880
terabytes of data are great but

882
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,720
is that a whole lot of nonsense to sift

883
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,880
through is it going to be a real game

884
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,960
changer which it could be is it going to

885
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,120
be something in between

886
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,039
we don't know at this point do we then

887
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,840
no um i mean i i would put it there with

888
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,399
um with gary's work you know when when

889
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,320
it comes i feel like it's gonna come in

890
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,159
a form where we don't have to pour over

891
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,760
those three terabytes they'll already

892
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,120
have been analyzed they'll come with a

893
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,039
paper kind of presenting like these are

894
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,360
the interesting points but the raw data

895
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:35,360
will be available for us to pull through

896
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,640
and that's kind of what people have

897
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,240
always wanted from the skinwalker rancho

898
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,679
right to kind of really be able to pull

899
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:41,200
through that data because some people

900
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,559
find going through three terabytes of

901
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,799
data boring other people absolutely love

902
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:47,120
it um and it's another example where we

903
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,799
could come together and you know all use

904
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,399
our unique skills to kind of really help

905
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,159
move this course forward but i think

906
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,399
what uapx has is going to be

907
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,640
it's going to be very exciting

908
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,399
i hope so and you know what like we've

909
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,840
said it would be hypocritical to say

910
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:02,080
otherwise even in all those terabytes of

911
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:05,840
data if there's one video or one picture

912
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,880
or a single frame of a video that

913
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:10,880
warrants a raised eyebrow and there's

914
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,519
data to back up you know

915
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,600
that that could be pretty special and

916
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,600
this is this for me

917
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,080
uapx could be a platform that leads to

918
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,480
other platforms like it launching off as

919
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,000
well um

920
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:26,000
but i suppose what you don't want is

921
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,440
loads of different organizations and

922
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,799
groups and i think we talked about this

923
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:30,880
dan in one of our earlier shows all

924
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,480
springing up and diluting

925
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,799
what could be a bigger effort put

926
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,120
together and a pooling of resources we

927
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:41,039
talked about the galileo project and

928
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,399
it's amazing how many people are on

929
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,720
board but it's it's hard to tell at this

930
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,600
point

931
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,120
are those people better working in

932
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,760
smaller groups towards one goal or are

933
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,679
they all better pulling together but you

934
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,240
know what it's like like if we had six

935
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,159
hosts on this podcast

936
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,640
it would be less of you less of me not

937
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,559
that that might not be a bad thing but

938
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,559
it's too many for i've always said just

939
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,240
personally it's too many voices all on

940
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,159
at once and if people are listening to

941
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,080
an audio podcast with six or seven or

942
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,240
eight or ten people all shouting it it

943
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,840
dilutes the message

944
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,760
and would it be better they have their

945
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,559
own

946
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,880
separate groups and focuses and on

947
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,720
resources we know they've got uh you

948
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,480
know jeremy mcgowan is a particularly

949
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,840
unique vehicle

950
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,000
and not many people have we know that

951
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:26,480
they are going to have some some some

952
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:27,440
sailing

953
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,600
that and different people on board have

954
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:33,760
different expertise so yeah i'm excited

955
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,880
for what uapx brings i hope it's it's

956
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:39,360
positive i'm not expecting disclosure

957
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,640
from them or

958
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,559
necessarily a game-changing piece of

959
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,960
evidence but if they can contribute

960
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,039
something that's really positive then

961
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,039
all the better for it and people should

962
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,760
support that my my expectation for it

963
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:53,200
and we can kind of come back to this

964
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,799
clip when i see the documentary if i'm

965
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,720
like oh god i was so wrong

966
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:58,240
my expectation for it is that we're

967
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,200
gonna see

968
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,120
how to get something

969
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,000
anomalous maybe out of the water

970
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,279
and how to film it when that happens

971
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,399
if that's a reliable you know data point

972
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:12,000
we're going to start seeing a lot more

973
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,200
data from people just rocking up to

974
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,720
catalina and trying this and getting

975
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,640
their own footage you know

976
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,399
the documentary is called a tear in the

977
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,960
sky isn't it yeah that's right

978
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,960
and the way to get out the water is a

979
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,039
fishing rod with plutonium on the end of

980
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,039
it would that also be correct yeah yeah

981
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,559
you can also throw mig west in the water

982
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,000
and they'll come right out because you

983
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,630
they'll be suffering on top of a tic-tac

984
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,960
um yeah so next up thanks for that one

985
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,200
gnosis uh yeah you apx big shout out and

986
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,799
i've said before if people can search

987
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,360
gary verhees on youtube gary was looking

988
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,039
to up his subscribers so he could do

989
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,799
more lives as well and that that's

990
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,399
something garyvee should have over a

991
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,919
thousand subscribers if we've got six

992
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,919
and a half thousand then gary deserves

993
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,360
more so please go and follow garyvee

994
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,799
he's on youtube

995
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,360
um jay says this podcast aside thanks

996
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,720
very much jay i didn't add that in

997
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,600
myself i'd say lose interviews with cut

998
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,440
and the ross culture interviews they

999
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,519
capture attention reminds me of

1000
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,799
listening to george knapp when he's

1001
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,200
telling a story it's engrossing it's a

1002
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,919
frustrating topic overall and yeah short

1003
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,679
and sweet that one but as a frustrating

1004
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:14,960
topic but

1005
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,399
dan even without the uap office that may

1006
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,639
or may not come into existence without

1007
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,159
all the governmental stuff you know we

1008
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,720
could do a year as worth our shows on

1009
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,200
other cases and books and movies and

1010
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,960
ideas and speculation we've just been

1011
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,040
very lucky that in the last year there's

1012
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,280
been so much to talk about from a

1013
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,679
current news point of view and if indeed

1014
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,200
that does slow down over the next few

1015
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,119
months that we kind of expect

1016
00:34:42,069 --> 00:34:40,480
we've got a whole lot of things we can

1017
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,079
talk about and that might be a nice

1018
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,800
welcome change of pace anyway for us but

1019
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:46,639
yeah i'm really excited about this year

1020
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,359
and

1021
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,720
it might not be the worst thing if we

1022
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,119
have a few months of of less news coming

1023
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,919
out from the from the office and it

1024
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:56,240
drops with more of a bigger bang for for

1025
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:56,960
me

1026
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,599
um but yeah that that's anything to add

1027
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:01,040
to that one

1028
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,320
just uh i mean that that's the second

1029
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,839
time we've mentioned kurt now so i just

1030
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,200
want to give props to him you know he's

1031
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:07,520
come he's bulldozed into this subject

1032
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,320
with

1033
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,920
an open mind

1034
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,200
and you know people talk about eric

1035
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,720
weinstein and his approach and it's

1036
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,400
amazing that he's come to the subject

1037
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,560
but they both admit their ignorance in

1038
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,960
the subject you know it's not an insult

1039
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,400
to be called ignorant it just means you

1040
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,520
don't know

1041
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,119
if you decide not to learn at that point

1042
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,640
that makes you willfully ignorant that

1043
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,920
is an insult

1044
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,079
um whereas these guys you know they

1045
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,680
admit their ignorance and they're here

1046
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:32,160
to listen and learn with us and i think

1047
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,599
that's really important and they set a

1048
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,440
great example

1049
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,359
absolutely we got some nice comments in

1050
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,599
and that where melanie and couldn't pick

1051
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,280
a favorite and then said all our shows

1052
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,800
have been thought provoking insightful

1053
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,040
and downright great so thank you melanie

1054
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,839
dalia said uh her highlight was personal

1055
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,920
uh she discovered earlier this year that

1056
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:51,839
she saw what she was pretty sure was the

1057
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,640
phoenix lakes except she was in elfida

1058
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,960
arizona it was a group sighting and she

1059
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,560
had completely forgotten about it which

1060
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:59,920
is super weird because she's been into

1061
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,320
ufos her whole life pretty cool to think

1062
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,079
i was part of that stranger moment in

1063
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,680
history so yeah that's that's a cool one

1064
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,520
that's very cool yeah

1065
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,599
um and jean said for me it was reading

1066
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,520
ross coltar's book and your interviews

1067
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,599
with him a roundtable of authors would

1068
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,440
be something that interests me a

1069
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,079
roundtable of podcasters on the subject

1070
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,400
as well so yeah good shout good idea

1071
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,760
something to look into

1072
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,440
do you know what can be really hard just

1073
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,520
on that is and i loved getting the

1074
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,440
surveys back from people and you know

1075
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,200
people will say i wish you you should

1076
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,640
have done two hours with ross or you

1077
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,640
should have done three hours with lou

1078
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,280
and i i would love to go that long with

1079
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,960
any of the guests that we have

1080
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,359
but um people tend to be quite limited

1081
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,880
in the time that they have

1082
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,720
and especially when people are doing a

1083
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,240
media run they might have five

1084
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,720
interviews on that day um

1085
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,160
we try and catch people when they're on

1086
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,440
their own and it's maybe a little bit

1087
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,520
later or a bit earlier just to get a bit

1088
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,680
of a different interview of them but

1089
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:56,079
yeah for for me um

1090
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,440
getting some of those people together on

1091
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,119
one podcast would be would be

1092
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,880
outstanding um and maybe that's

1093
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,400
something we can look into this year

1094
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,839
because i've not done a roundtable for a

1095
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,680
while so um

1096
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,040
yeah that could be that could be worth

1097
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,880
them looking into yeah i think that

1098
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,400
would be excellent um

1099
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,040
ross started a podcast with bryce label

1100
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,720
uh in december as well called need to

1101
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,079
know i'd recommend everyone check that

1102
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,920
out it's just them kind of discussing

1103
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,760
you know what you heard ross discuss and

1104
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,240
bryce sable um directly dark skies and a

1105
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:25,200
whole host of uh ufo content and he's i

1106
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,400
think he's currently working on a betty

1107
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,560
and bonnie hill adaptation um so he

1108
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,480
knows his stuff too um there's my

1109
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,079
favorite piece of his is on john

1110
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,240
lennon's ufo sighting and you can find

1111
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,400
that on medium.com i'd recommend just

1112
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,079
have a google have a read of it it's

1113
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,240
quite a stunning sighting um especially

1114
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,079
to come from john lennon

1115
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,680
dan make a note we'll stick that one and

1116
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,680
there's the description of the podcast

1117
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,440
as well that was something people asked

1118
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,680
us to do more of and i do try and write

1119
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,760
them down as we as we go along so we'll

1120
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,920
get those in there for people as well we

1121
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:55,040
are trying to get better and a bit

1122
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,240
tighter with that kind of stuff this

1123
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,119
year folks um katie says for me one of

1124
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,720
the major highlights was definitely the

1125
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,280
galileo project just love the ideas and

1126
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,839
attitude of leader avi loeb scientists

1127
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,000
are finally on the case and the research

1128
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,920
will be public i'm really excited about

1129
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,599
the research we will see in our lifetime

1130
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,760
from this project and all the brilliant

1131
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,240
minds associated with it in addition the

1132
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,240
uap task force report in june and the

1133
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,079
recent amendments to the defence bill

1134
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,839
for sure

1135
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,160
is avi luebbe the leader of that

1136
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,680
organization

1137
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,240
i mean yeah pretty much um there are a

1138
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,880
number of people involved but he's the

1139
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,280
founder of the project um along with the

1140
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,960
guy who gave him that initial capsule i

1141
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,720
forget the gentleman's name now uh but i

1142
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,720
know he was anonymous for a while so my

1143
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,240
brain's still kind of blanking he's

1144
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,680
listed on the research page and avi

1145
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,960
wrote a

1146
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,280
an article about how the galileo project

1147
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,680
came to be um so i regretted those two

1148
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:49,760
guys with kind of running and owning the

1149
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,589
yeah you know what fair enough he's the

1150
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,440
head of the galileo project yeah i

1151
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,119
couldn't remember the exact title but on

1152
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,560
the on the main page it's head of the

1153
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,640
galileo project that was the one i know

1154
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,400
avi's one of those people that probably

1155
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,599
wouldn't like to be labeled something

1156
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,760
that he hasn't so uh but yeah fair

1157
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,920
enough if he's the head he's ahead um

1158
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,440
and you know what he's a great guy to do

1159
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,320
that i've seen some criticism of of avi

1160
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,560
um online recently and again it was only

1161
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,240
a couple of people but

1162
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,640
they were commenting on a few podcasts

1163
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,800
or shows that avi had gone on to

1164
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,119
um again i don't think it matters if

1165
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,960
they have huge audiences or small

1166
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,280
audiences but people commented that

1167
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,440
there's a lot of conspiracy theorists on

1168
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,440
as guests on some of those shows

1169
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,280
and avi shouldn't be doing those types

1170
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,440
of shows but for me i think it shows one

1171
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,920
that avi's happy to go on podcasts with

1172
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:39,839
two or three hundred people or two or

1173
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,320
three million as he was a guest on this

1174
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:45,040
podcast when there was only a couple of

1175
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,480
maybe a couple of thousand people

1176
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,480
listening which is amazing but earlier

1177
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:50,560
this year the week after he was on joe

1178
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,680
rogan

1179
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,560
so you know that's that's a hell of a

1180
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,040
difference in podcasting terms that joe

1181
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,680
rogan to this podcast and avi was happy

1182
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,640
to sit and do equally both of those um

1183
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,400
which which is amazing for for people

1184
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,640
like myself and other podcasters so i

1185
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,480
think it's a good sign that no matter

1186
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,800
the quality or or guest reach of any

1187
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,960
show that avi is willing to go on there

1188
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,359
and talk about the subject and

1189
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,359
and get the message out there

1190
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,200
regardless so i can only see that as a

1191
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,680
positive but i i appreciate people might

1192
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,800
be

1193
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,599
guarded or defensive of avi's message

1194
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,079
and status and you know how he's seen by

1195
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,680
other members of the public

1196
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,680
but again it just goes to show he's he's

1197
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,200
the one that's getting this

1198
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,640
um

1199
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,319
difficult time from his peers and

1200
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,079
colleagues as we've seen in different

1201
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,119
interviews and that got leaked online

1202
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,640
because of what he's talking about and

1203
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,400
how he's talking about it he's being

1204
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,440
ridiculed from within um so it speaks a

1205
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,800
lot to the man that he's willing to go

1206
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,680
on to

1207
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,760
other shows and podcasts and tv

1208
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,520
interviews and and talk about this in

1209
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,599
such a public way so you've got to see

1210
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,520
more power to him for that yeah yeah i

1211
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,720
agree you know

1212
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,400
science is something to inspire people

1213
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,839
with not to

1214
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,680
lock behind the door and close people's

1215
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,520
minds over and say you know don't don't

1216
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,920
look the down the telescope um

1217
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,920
and change our paradigm um avi's not

1218
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,119
afraid to do that you know the name's

1219
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,359
very fitting project galileo

1220
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,680
and abby wants to inspire people to join

1221
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,200
efforts like this and start looking

1222
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,720
because there are goddamn miracles out

1223
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,720
there in the universe and you just have

1224
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,480
to look that's it

1225
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:24,800
dan on the spot uh what are you

1226
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,640
expecting from project galileo this year

1227
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,720
so i would expect kind of

1228
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:32,319
i'll be a little conservative you know i

1229
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,440
don't think we're going to get a picture

1230
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,200
of a gray kind of throwing the peace

1231
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,480
sign out a window um i i think we'll

1232
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,160
probably

1233
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,640
start seeing the data flow in

1234
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,240
the analysis will probably start in the

1235
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:46,480
second half of this year but

1236
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:50,079
once they make this initial sensor kit

1237
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,280
and roll it out and they know it's

1238
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,960
working it's just a case of replicating

1239
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,880
those efforts so i think by the end of

1240
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,280
2022 we'll have a lot of them at

1241
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,319
different points all over the planet

1242
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,720
awesome yeah i'm excited for galileo

1243
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,920
project and

1244
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,599
it's it's interesting that we've got the

1245
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:08,319
james webb going up and looking way out

1246
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,359
and we've got the galileo project that's

1247
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:14,400
based on the earth but again looking

1248
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:16,160
a little bit closer than where james

1249
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,599
webb's going to be looking relatively

1250
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,640
speaking

1251
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,440
and we have uapx who are based here and

1252
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,280
looking very much at our oceans and our

1253
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,599
skies and and a few other projects and

1254
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,440
whatnot along the way as well so i think

1255
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,440
we're starting to cover bases that we've

1256
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,599
never really had covered all at once and

1257
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,920
again if these groups and organizations

1258
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,920
could could speak to each other that

1259
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,599
that can only be beneficial i'm sure as

1260
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,000
well so a lot to look forward to there

1261
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,520
the the james webb was one of my

1262
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,200
highlights this year i sat watching it

1263
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,280
on christmas morning uh i love

1264
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,040
control celebrate after it goes off

1265
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,800
without a hitch you know it's just all

1266
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,960
those people work so hard on this for so

1267
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,560
long and it's an incredible feat of

1268
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,480
engineering in the teamwork but it's

1269
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,160
going to be looking at the ir kind of

1270
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,440
spectrum near and mid um

1271
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,720
and

1272
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,240
it'll be able to kind of you know if

1273
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:03,839
there's say for example it was looking

1274
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,560
at earth from bajillion miles away um it

1275
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,160
would be able to see the emissions from

1276
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,079
our cars from our homes from the lights

1277
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,400
you know things like that um so things

1278
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,160
like i didn't remember tabby's star

1279
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,359
where it was dimming and they thought it

1280
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:17,040
might be a dyson sphere around the star

1281
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:18,240
and they kind of kept looking and kept

1282
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,440
looking and they think it's spaced us

1283
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,760
now with that we'll just be able to look

1284
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,240
at it and instead of the

1285
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,200
if it is spaced us we there are certain

1286
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,040
signs that will show that in infrared as

1287
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,119
opposed to actually seeing a full power

1288
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,280
output um of a star being dimmed by the

1289
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,280
amount that the guy who

1290
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,280
kind of came up with the idea of dyson

1291
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,760
spheres his whole work was how to find

1292
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,920
it with ir and that's what they're doing

1293
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,680
now so it's very cool it's uh

1294
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,440
potentially amazing

1295
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,720
dan realistically uh james webb goes up

1296
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:50,880
and it's unfurling its shield just now i

1297
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,640
think still yeah is that right the the

1298
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,400
deployed but i think it's not tensioned

1299
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,319
at the moment

1300
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,079
okay

1301
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,160
come march or april and it's it's been

1302
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,760
fully up and running for a little while

1303
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,000
and it's starting to to get images and

1304
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,160
gather data

1305
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,760
say it picks something up that's pretty

1306
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,520
remarkable it picks up a planet

1307
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:12,800
somewhere

1308
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,520
and it manages to see you know

1309
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:17,119
cities lights

1310
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,920
or

1311
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,599
an odd chemical composition in an

1312
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,760
atmosphere or

1313
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,040
do you think we're going to get that

1314
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,480
reported straight back to the public

1315
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,359
though

1316
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,520
no it'll be like the venus phosphene

1317
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,359
thing where they took a number of years

1318
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,359
to kind of go through it the peer review

1319
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,680
process happened it wasn't until they

1320
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:35,839
had um scientists refer to it as like

1321
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,800
sigma five sigma six it means that you

1322
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,880
know beyond a reasonable doubt this is

1323
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:42,480
what we're looking at it's how certain

1324
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,359
they are the higher the number the

1325
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,079
better basically um and they've actually

1326
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,599
just looked over those fostering results

1327
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,680
from venus again and there's a mission

1328
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,440
that'll get there i think it's in 2023

1329
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,839
or maybe it's launching then um

1330
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,440
but these little bits of data just

1331
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,240
prompt us to look more intensely so you

1332
00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:00,079
know the the james webb telescope we're

1333
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,280
we're there in the moment thinking oh

1334
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:03,040
yeah it'll have some cool ir pictures

1335
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,480
they might find life on another planet

1336
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,640
so on so forth it might find something

1337
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:08,400
we don't even know exists right now and

1338
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,079
have no idea about at all um and and

1339
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,160
that's super exciting

1340
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:16,000
i think it's only fitting to finish off

1341
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,920
from a lesnar's point of view with

1342
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,920
dave smetherst who has been in regular

1343
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,520
touch with both of us it was great to

1344
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,160
meet him back at the ufo minicon in

1345
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,800
preston and i'm sure we'll be meeting up

1346
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,720
again a couple of times this year and

1347
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,400
dave commented that obviously his

1348
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,319
highlight of the year was the uap report

1349
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,040
acknowledging ufo reality and tech we

1350
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,359
don't understand closely followed by the

1351
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,200
gillibrand amendment being approved as

1352
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,200
part of the ndaa

1353
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,800
assuming that it's most people's choice

1354
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,640
another big highlight was lou alluding

1355
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,560
to our dna potentially being altered

1356
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,040
under history not being habits written

1357
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:51,599
on cut dry mungo's show later backed up

1358
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,480
by john ramirez mind blowing and plot

1359
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,000
sickening

1360
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,160
yeah so again dave comments on a few of

1361
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,000
the the well-known ones we've talked

1362
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,640
about there but regarding the dna

1363
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,800
alterations that was something

1364
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,520
new that that came out this year from

1365
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,960
lou um

1366
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,560
i think i think that was like interview

1367
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,839
as well wasn't it it was yeah yeah

1368
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,440
that's what we were saying yeah i think

1369
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,520
something that i'm going to do hopefully

1370
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,000
this month or so is um actually nope

1371
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,640
i'll keep that to myself because yeah i

1372
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:22,240
will

1373
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,920
tested and what are we going to see if

1374
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,520
you're reptilian

1375
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,520
yes no sponsor 23 and me on the

1376
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,829
that would be a really good segue into

1377
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,640
that no that is not a sponsor um but

1378
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,800
yeah um

1379
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,480
i'll i'll yeah i'll keep that one to

1380
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,240
myself and i'll sort it but yeah that

1381
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,040
was a really interesting comment and

1382
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,040
to be fair i think john ramirez as a

1383
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,960
personality and character

1384
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,359
is very different to lou

1385
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:53,040
um

1386
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,319
not the same

1387
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,839
no but then again if if lou came out

1388
00:47:02,550 --> 00:46:59,520
as he as

1389
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,560
now and imagine in one interview

1390
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,000
talked about all the things that he has

1391
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,839
over the last couple of years

1392
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:07,119
do you think he would be seen

1393
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,240
differently

1394
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,079
because he wouldn't have then had a

1395
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,839
couple of years of

1396
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,640
much slower build up and drip feed of

1397
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,800
information and he talks about you know

1398
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,560
disclosure being like the tap dripping

1399
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,079
dripping dripping

1400
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,599
but lewis can have done that himself

1401
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,119
with what he's talked about and do you

1402
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,960
think that's maybe why someone like john

1403
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,960
ramirez if he'd come out and been a

1404
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,200
little bit more reserved at first and

1405
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,880
built up to talk about what he's talking

1406
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,400
about would have been seen a bit

1407
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,160
differently

1408
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,640
probably for me was how john presented

1409
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:39,040
it you know in in project unity's

1410
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,240
interview with him there was a whole

1411
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,920
section of his presentation called

1412
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,240
speculation and the more interviews john

1413
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,319
did the more that speculation word

1414
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,559
dropped from what he was talking about

1415
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,440
um

1416
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:51,200
i i love the organizational stuff that

1417
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,880
john talks about how how the different

1418
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,880
offices work what data they have how you

1419
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,079
afford them i think that's really

1420
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,119
interesting um but once we get to

1421
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,760
the patches and them being a secret way

1422
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,520
to tell the world that reptilians run

1423
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,960
the world you know there's there's

1424
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,720
esoteric symbolism and the patches i

1425
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,920
make

1426
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,760
i don't know i have any secret inside

1427
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,160
knowledge that you know there's a we all

1428
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,319
have a real third eye and so so on so

1429
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,520
forth and

1430
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,720
you know

1431
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:19,440
it's just it's it's just conjecture and

1432
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,240
speculation i i in the editing process

1433
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,160
might cut out that you said i don't have

1434
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:25,440
any secret knowledge and i'll just hit

1435
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,640
the word don't out and it's just going

1436
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,559
to be using i have secret knowledge that

1437
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,160
we have a third eye

1438
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,920
and that could get people talking yeah

1439
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:34,079
it would get people talking but that

1440
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,119
that's the difference between him and

1441
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,040
lou i think when lou gets to that level

1442
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,880
of speculation he says

1443
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,280
you know i'm not gonna speculate or this

1444
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,240
is my opinion um and i don't really feel

1445
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:45,680
like he'd ever go that far on that

1446
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,720
tenuous level of evidence

1447
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,480
that's um everything for listeners

1448
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,760
comments we're going to finish off with

1449
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,359
our highlights dan i'm going to throw

1450
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,680
one in here though that i didn't plan on

1451
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,599
doing but i think we can discuss quickly

1452
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,880
because something came up as you were

1453
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,359
discussing and i suppose

1454
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,839
one of my low lights of the year

1455
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,319
is something you mentioned earlier and

1456
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,920
thinking back there's been a whole lot

1457
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,520
happened and this is a roller coaster

1458
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,800
there's ups and downs and it'll happen

1459
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,480
again this year folks

1460
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,319
if you think it's going to be a a nice

1461
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,880
easy journey to the ufo office being set

1462
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,880
up it's set up and then we get weekly

1463
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,599
briefings dropping on youtube from from

1464
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,200
someone running that program that's not

1465
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,559
going to happen

1466
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,359
but something i was really excited for

1467
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,440
and given the person involved and

1468
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:30,880
attached and

1469
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,920
the production values was the jj abrams

1470
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,720
ufo series and i thought given the

1471
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:38,720
timing of it just after the report had

1472
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:42,079
come out and jj abrams as a director and

1473
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,839
having a lot of you know respect and

1474
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,280
everything else

1475
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,640
i thought that could be pretty

1476
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,720
groundbreaking um

1477
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,480
i thought this could be

1478
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,720
the phenomenon times 10 and for the

1479
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,400
mainstream and for the general not that

1480
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,400
the the phenomenon documentary by james

1481
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,960
fox isn't for the mainstream but

1482
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,440
wow sticking that was it on hbo max yeah

1483
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,160
that's right yeah um i thought and it's

1484
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,920
on sky over here in the uk i think you

1485
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,240
can still get it on demand

1486
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,520
i thought that could have been a real

1487
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,000
game changer for public perception and

1488
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,720
instead it seemed that they

1489
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,640
they had a good idea and had some good

1490
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,760
intentions

1491
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,520
they didn't have enough content for four

1492
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,280
episodes but decided to go with four

1493
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:22,800
episodes anyway

1494
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:23,599
and

1495
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,800
decided to do two good episodes

1496
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,000
and then two

1497
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,680
really poor

1498
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,559
speculative episodes that just

1499
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,400
took away all the good work done in

1500
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:36,000
those first two

1501
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,119
and for me that was a real

1502
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,359
disappointment

1503
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:41,119
yeah um i i totally thought you were

1504
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,079
going to say something different by the

1505
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,559
way i wrote down

1506
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,599
what did you what did you think i was

1507
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,880
going to say uh i thought you're going

1508
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,240
to say what would be my low light of the

1509
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,680
year we'll start with low lights because

1510
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,319
the bad news is yeah i'm going to ask

1511
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,319
you you're low light anyway yeah yeah um

1512
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,720
and jolly and that whole mess i i feel

1513
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,280
like that was very exemplary of the 80s

1514
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,079
and 90s kind of

1515
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:05,040
ufology stuff that we got used to and

1516
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,559
just as always this stuff turns out to

1517
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,800
be nonsense you know people people find

1518
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,640
it more glitzy and shiny because she

1519
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,880
uses you know some more

1520
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,839
uh

1521
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,079
she dramatizes the concept

1522
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,160
but ultimately it comes down to someone

1523
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:19,680
sat on social media saying that she's

1524
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,720
gonna go meet 5d beings in a cave and i

1525
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,920
just want to give her a hug and ask if

1526
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:25,680
she's okay you know

1527
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,480
yeah

1528
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,760
and i think we covered that quite a bit

1529
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:29,839
so i won't go on about it myself but

1530
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,240
yeah i can't disagree with that one um

1531
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,040
on you um it turned out exactly as most

1532
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,960
of us unfortunately thought it was going

1533
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,559
to and again i don't think i have to

1534
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:40,559
stress this at this point this podcast

1535
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:44,240
going into its third year now or 18 19

1536
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:47,359
months of content and

1537
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,640
i've always been really honest and tried

1538
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,880
to just show both sides of the coin and

1539
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,119
i've said that i would love every video

1540
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:58,319
every piece of footage every interview

1541
00:52:05,829 --> 00:51:59,280
to

1542
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:05,839
truthful and be fascinating

1543
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,359
and all the videos and footage that gets

1544
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,240
sent to me or i see online to all be 100

1545
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,359
true non-human exotic technology and

1546
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,720
they're not it's just it's just the

1547
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,319
nature of this subject it's not a

1548
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,400
subject and it's not how it works

1549
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,480
and that was one that straight from the

1550
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,920
off like you say

1551
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,839
it was only going to go one way and

1552
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,680
that's exactly how it happened

1553
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,280
i'm i'm still amazed that it's still

1554
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:30,079
kind of going though um i no longer

1555
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,839
follow that account i'll just say that

1556
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,119
much so

1557
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,200
yeah i mean well one interesting thing

1558
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,520
came from it i guess that that i was put

1559
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,520
into that vote thing to go to the

1560
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,960
exhibition and now it's not to the

1561
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,559
exhibition to the

1562
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:44,160
uh what's what i'm looking for

1563
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,440
expedition

1564
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:48,079
exhibition yeah being displayed um yeah

1565
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,880
the

1566
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,960
now i might actually be going on a legit

1567
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,200
expedition somewhere

1568
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,200
yeah that's yeah we could have sent you

1569
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:57,200
there instead but yeah i think i think

1570
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:58,319
you're you're going to something a

1571
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:01,040
little bit more credible um but yes

1572
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,480
highlight of the year daniel you've

1573
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,800
talked about a few of them um

1574
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:06,559
have you got a standout highlight for

1575
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,319
2021 yeah and and you're you might go

1576
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,319
red-faced here because it was our visit

1577
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,200
to london where i got to meet you graham

1578
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:16,640
dave

1579
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,520
vinnie

1580
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,880
um and

1581
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:20,960
ryan on the friday and then lou on the

1582
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,599
saturday that for me that whole section

1583
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:27,440
like i know you're real anyway there's

1584
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,720
no debate in that in my head you know

1585
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,400
you're not catfishing me on the side of

1586
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,319
the side of the screen there but there

1587
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:34,079
was a moment in london where it suddenly

1588
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,359
got a bit more real for me you know and

1589
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,119
and now i find myself often just sat at

1590
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,800
the sky thinking you know

1591
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,920
they're out there doing their thing and

1592
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,280
people are arguing over whether they

1593
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:44,800
even exist or not it reminds me of uh

1594
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,520
don't look up if anyone has seen that

1595
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,800
um

1596
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,559
but yeah coming away from that meeting

1597
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,640
with lou everything had gotten super

1598
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,760
real for me

1599
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,119
and

1600
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,599
especially the the friendships that we

1601
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,119
forged over

1602
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,599
social media and instagram and it was an

1603
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,040
absolute pleasure to meet everybody and

1604
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,680
to to kind of start stepping in

1605
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,440
to this

1606
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:08,800
subject that's going to become a lot

1607
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,150
that was actually one of my low lights

1608
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:18,000
but i chose to leave it

1609
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,599
i chose to leave it specifically when i

1610
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,960
don't tell you in slow motion i'm

1611
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,720
guessing

1612
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,359
absolutely yeah um no london london was

1613
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,079
a great time and like i say people

1614
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,079
had not people some people online made

1615
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,160
it out to be something it wasn't and

1616
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,839
super secret meetups and all that kind

1617
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,920
of stuff and thanks for thinking of us

1618
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,079
so highly but that's definitely not what

1619
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,079
it was uh

1620
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,319
yeah and and you know what this year we

1621
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,079
do plan hopefully on getting a couple of

1622
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:45,920
meetups happening in the uk

1623
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,040
um officially or unofficially if it's at

1624
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,720
one of the other conferences that are

1625
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:53,040
happening um there's one in blackpool we

1626
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,480
know in june i think we're all planning

1627
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,079
on attending that

1628
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,079
as a group and that's not you know we're

1629
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,400
not meeting up and having some super

1630
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,480
secret meet up and we'll probably be in

1631
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:05,040
a bar somewhere and people are more than

1632
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:06,480
welcome to come along and join us if

1633
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,520
that's going to be the case and

1634
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:09,359
blackpool is quite central in the uk but

1635
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,160
yeah

1636
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,240
meeting meeting people for me was a big

1637
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,440
one you guys obviously um meeting

1638
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,640
listeners

1639
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,720
walking up to the ufo minicon and

1640
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,040
preston uh but was put on my ash and

1641
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,280
everyone um and helping out very last

1642
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,280
minute with that but

1643
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,720
as i approached the venue in the car

1644
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:28,559
seeing someone with your t-shirt undone

1645
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,599
was really really weird because

1646
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,040
yeah that was that was really hard i

1647
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,720
think i sent you a picture straight away

1648
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,640
but just getting to talk to like barry

1649
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,880
and dave and nick and frank from ufo

1650
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,040
thinker pod and stuff there and ash and

1651
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,640
and anyone else was was really really

1652
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,119
cool um that was that was a lot of fun

1653
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,520
um but my my highlight as pertaining to

1654
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,839
the whole subject um is is the new

1655
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,000
people that got involved um ross

1656
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:53,920
coulthart has been mentioned ad nauseum

1657
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,119
here cut dry mongol eric weinstein and a

1658
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:59,280
whole load of others like that

1659
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:01,839
who are now taking the subject very

1660
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,400
seriously themselves

1661
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,319
as and that includes senators

1662
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,799
congressmen and women and any other

1663
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,640
politicians worldwide who might be doing

1664
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,880
this it's it's not that i don't care

1665
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,640
about their politics previously and

1666
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,720
people would get in touch and say this

1667
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,640
person voted for this bill three years

1668
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:20,480
ago and this person got involved with

1669
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,440
this and

1670
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,839
yeah i'm sure they did but purely from a

1671
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,440
ufo point of view and moving this

1672
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:27,280
conversation forward

1673
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,319
that

1674
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,640
it's been good um and it's been great to

1675
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,160
see those from outside the mainstream

1676
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:34,640
really have that impact that i hope they

1677
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,839
carry on and and take forward in 2022.

1678
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:39,839
it'll be great to see people like carter

1679
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,640
mongol who as a ufo guy although i know

1680
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,480
dan you've said previously that when you

1681
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,760
look at the amount of interviews he's

1682
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,480
now done and the the interest he has he

1683
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,680
kind of is

1684
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,359
but i'm sure kurt would say that he's

1685
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,960
he's just someone with an interest in a

1686
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:55,040
lot of different areas of life

1687
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:55,920
and

1688
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,400
the more that continues the better

1689
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,799
um i i want to see rogan do more

1690
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,319
interviews again on the subject this

1691
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:04,960
year i want to see lou on rogan i'd love

1692
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:07,680
to see ross coelter on on rogan and

1693
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,720
those other big big podcasts and british

1694
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,799
television news channels

1695
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,319
that's that's what i want to carry on

1696
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,240
because that can only

1697
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,240
make a massive difference to the subject

1698
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,480
i think for me and getting that

1699
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,440
credibility if we don't get any more

1700
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:25,440
in the way of evidence this year which

1701
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,160
we've got to say is a possibility

1702
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,920
although i still think we'll get

1703
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,119
something

1704
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,280
if we don't get any more evidence that

1705
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,040
that pushes forward those three videos

1706
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,720
or otherwise

1707
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:38,000
i think if you could just turn up the

1708
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:39,599
noise and the volume and what happened

1709
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,359
in 2021 to a bigger public setting

1710
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,960
could be huge and that's going to help

1711
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:46,960
other scientists and journalists get

1712
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,280
involved in this topic as well because

1713
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,640
i think what

1714
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:52,480
brought things down with a bump maybe

1715
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,079
for some people yesterday from a uk

1716
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:56,079
point of view and this is where people

1717
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,680
ask us to

1718
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,119
what's happening in the uk and we should

1719
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,119
do like a uk big phone home and it's

1720
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,520
like no we're still so so so far away

1721
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,440
from that unless something drastically

1722
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:07,520
changed one of the newspapers he heard

1723
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:10,079
yesterday dan you saw the headline was

1724
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,359
about

1725
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,960
a percentage of youngsters in the uk

1726
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,240
still believe that lizards run the

1727
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:16,480
country that was a front page and it's a

1728
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,160
bit of a rag it's a tabloid and a really

1729
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,680
rough tabloid but

1730
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,920
that's still where we're at in the uk

1731
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,280
with a lot of this subject and it's

1732
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,280
still a fight but i suppose it was a

1733
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,760
really nice kind of juxtaposition

1734
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,520
on the same day that was a headline for

1735
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:31,119
the daily star about lizard people

1736
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:32,400
running the uk

1737
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,960
and then at night we had channel 5

1738
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,480
putting on a really nice

1739
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,200
nicely toned and serious documentary on

1740
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,839
the ufo subject for the public so

1741
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,920
still mix messages but i think there's a

1742
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,000
lot of positive signs there for for

1743
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,200
going forward into 2022. yeah 100

1744
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,960
um i'm just going to touch on my work

1745
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,640
with the sun with uap media because i

1746
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:53,920
think it's it's pertinent to what you

1747
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,720
were saying here um a few a few days

1748
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,319
back

1749
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,319
um but what we do at uav media is we

1750
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:02,160
work with journalists to kind of inform

1751
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,520
them properly and to try and help them

1752
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,799
get the tone of the piece right because

1753
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,119
if the person doesn't know about it then

1754
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,040
how can they be expected to get a tone

1755
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,680
that's respectable you know and

1756
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,599
i spent the day helping kind of get an

1757
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:16,000
article out by the sun and the headline

1758
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,040
came out uh with the word alien hunters

1759
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:21,040
at the end and i remember we all

1760
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:22,319
everyone cringed in the group and i was

1761
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:23,920
very like well you know all news is good

1762
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:27,040
news but i simply went back to the

1763
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,079
journalist

1764
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:30,640
we spoke about it and then he deleted

1765
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,680
the jokes and the alien has his word and

1766
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,920
it's a really good example of all i did

1767
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,079
was message him and i was kind and i

1768
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:39,839
just said hey look you know uap doesn't

1769
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,880
necessarily mean alien um let's talk

1770
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:45,200
about this properly and the headline got

1771
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,040
changed so i recommend just when you see

1772
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,960
things like that like the daily mail

1773
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,799
thing or the daily star sorry like

1774
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,319
engage those people if they aren't

1775
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,079
covering it properly engage them and

1776
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:57,280
talk to them this is how lou and kurt

1777
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:58,559
started talking

1778
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,599
literally

1779
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,520
we i i would watch kurt's channel and he

1780
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,119
was incredible he was a really really

1781
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,880
cool thinker

1782
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,799
so i emailed and asked if he wanted to

1783
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,720
speak to lou and again everything that's

1784
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,319
come from that and

1785
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,839
the conversations inspiring people to

1786
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,079
get involved is it is amazing because

1787
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:15,920
that's the like you said if we can get

1788
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:18,160
more volume more people know there's

1789
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,920
more awareness and we can tackle it

1790
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:21,599
properly and that's what's important

1791
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,839
going forward this year i think

1792
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,920
yeah i remember in the group chat dan i

1793
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,839
was i was pretty level-headed wasn't i

1794
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:29,520
when i saw the alien hunter's comment

1795
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,400
and um i'm sure you basically quoted me

1796
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,160
when you spoke to the journalist and and

1797
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,160
said this is what andy says

1798
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,319
um i was completely level-headed wasn't

1799
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:40,240
i in my response to that but no you

1800
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,760
dealt with it very well and it was it

1801
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:43,440
was good to see the the journalists in

1802
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,640
question we're happy to change that and

1803
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,079
what i would hope

1804
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,079
is not for that article but for the next

1805
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,920
one that it's not even a thought for

1806
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,160
them and we don't have to correct any

1807
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,480
language and that's not to say we're we

1808
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,240
want people's opinions to be our

1809
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,880
opinions that they should be their own

1810
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,480
but it would just be nice that if the

1811
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,760
first thought that came to their mind

1812
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,319
wasn't alien hunters rejoice yeah and

1813
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,200
that it was jokes you know yeah that's

1814
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:12,000
it yeah if this was if this was chinese

1815
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:13,839
drones jokes wouldn't even enter into

1816
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,920
their heads right so it should be at

1817
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,440
least that level i think

1818
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:19,839
yeah and if people want to check out uap

1819
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,960
media dot uk or follow at uap media

1820
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,880
online the links for those will be in

1821
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,960
the the show description as well but

1822
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,960
they're very available on social media

1823
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:30,880
channels and that's a group with uh

1824
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,079
myself dan dave partridge vinnie adams

1825
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,640
adam goldsack and graham rendell and

1826
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:38,000
doing a lot of really really good work

1827
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,599
on there as well those guys so that's

1828
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,200
just from a uk point of view trying to

1829
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,440
really help and change the conversation

1830
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,599
and so much of the work uap media does

1831
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:48,000
as in the background folks like i say

1832
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,200
people wouldn't have known that unless

1833
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,440
dan had said but yes dan did do that

1834
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,960
reach out to a journalist of which we're

1835
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,799
speaking to many journalists now and

1836
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:57,119
trying to have those conversations that

1837
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,960
when they are putting this work out then

1838
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:00,880
it's more representative of people like

1839
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:02,480
you who listen to the show your thoughts

1840
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,160
your opinions and you're not going to be

1841
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,240
embarrassed reading it or associating

1842
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,400
with it either so yeah that's the kind

1843
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:10,000
of work going on now when i spoke to

1844
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,680
those guys in the morning um they

1845
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:13,520
weren't even aware that biden had signed

1846
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:15,039
the ndaa

1847
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,880
so we essentially managed to sneak in

1848
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:19,039
with the uap angle before a political

1849
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,559
article was written but it just goes to

1850
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:23,119
show just speak to people you never know

1851
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,559
this is what tom did to get this whole

1852
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:26,160
thing started go knock the door be a

1853
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,520
loudmouth you know be a bull in the

1854
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,960
china shop

1855
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,880
absolutely and just to finish off folks

1856
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,720
like i say give you ap media follow make

1857
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,480
sure you're following dan online myself

1858
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,720
online subscribing to the podcast

1859
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,240
anything you can do to help out is much

1860
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,720
appreciated and spreading the word

1861
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:42,000
sharing the news

1862
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,280
getting involved engaging the

1863
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,200
conversation if and if it's speaking to

1864
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,960
friends of yours and colleagues at work

1865
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,960
as the new year kicks off and you bring

1866
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:50,720
up the or they bring up the conversation

1867
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:53,440
of aliens or ufos just have that chat

1868
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:55,920
with them um change the conversation and

1869
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,400
just what if asking that question you

1870
01:03:01,829 --> 01:03:00,000
know what if it's something like this or

1871
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:01,839
what if it's this or have you heard

1872
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,160
about the the us and what the the work

1873
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,920
that's being done in government there or

1874
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,799
you know

1875
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,799
changing attitudes all around recommend

1876
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,960
some books recommend some documentaries

1877
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:12,480
if you're you're stuck for that then

1878
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,760
just give us a shout online and we're

1879
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,280
more than happy to point you in those

1880
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:17,359
those right directions as well but i i

1881
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,559
would emphasize that people should be

1882
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,400
socially aware if you see that glazed

1883
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,680
look in the person you're speaking to

1884
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,280
his eyes stop

1885
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,960
and back away come back to them another

1886
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:27,119
time let them think on what you've said

1887
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absolutely and just one last reminder

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folks you might have heard with new

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podcasts coming on the network i don't

1890
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want to clog up that ufo podcast feed

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with loads of new shows you will see

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some of those appear on the feed though

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in january including disclosure teams

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podcast the quantum match cafe shows and

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dan's new podcast will be kicking off

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this month

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yes i'm looking forward to that and also

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dave and graham's historical ufo deep

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dives with the idea being that from

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february they will have their own feed

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and it'll be on the anomalous podcast

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network so if you follow on twitter at

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anomalouspod.net

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again link in the description then

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that'll be great there'll be lots more

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announcements on there i'll get the

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instagram up and running dan at some

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point this year is going to do the logo

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for that as well which will be

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appreciated probably december good like

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first week of december yeah of course we

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could as anybody will start asking me

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what i'm looking for again

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but the idea being that that network

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will have those types of shows that are

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going to give you different opinions

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different conversations different voices

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all discussing this subject and the

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phenomenon in general from a lot of

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different angles so i really hope people

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um support us on that and appreciate you

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checking out sharing it listening and uh

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just dipping your toe in the water for

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those conversations am i um am i allowed

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to share the name of my

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my show

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nope no

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um so actually yes you can yeah because

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if i've not said anything yet it's your

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show so feel free so so the way i

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described the show to andy was

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essentially like the main the main show

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is an amazing kind of us doing a balance

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in dmacc kind of talking about nuts and

1935
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bolts and some weirder things as well

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but people probably noticed that i skew

1937
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a bit weirder than andy does um so my

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show is essentially going to be me

1939
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jumping off that balance beam going into

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the woods to see what's there and then

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coming back um

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and it's going to be called coloring

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outside the lines so look for the first

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episode of that in the next four weeks

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and dave partridge and graham rendell's

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podcast i'll let you know now is going

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to be called the unidentified aerial

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podcast and they'll be doing historical

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deep dives into ufo cases you know right

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back from the 30s 40s 50s and and

1951
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onwards as well and honestly some of the

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stuff they have put in our private chat

1953
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that they are working on for this is

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amazing and i'm really looking forward

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to to that and like i said dan and i

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could put on those pods we wouldn't do

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them justice so

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we'll leave that to to to people i can

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truly see our professionals in that

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manner um really really proud and happy

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to see vinnie adams disclosure team

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podcast which you can check out on

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instagram and youtube those will be

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available on audio format on this

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podcast too um anomalous podnet and also

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priscilla's quantum much cafe interviews

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will be up there she's just on a really

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great one with christina gomez that is

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well worth checking out as well so a lot

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of good stuff to come and very excited

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01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:11,119
for this new venture

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just to reiterate those folks i know a

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few people are worried that ufo podcast

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shows aren't changing aren't going

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anywhere they'll still be the interviews

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there'll still be the breakdowns of

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myself and then and like i say there's a

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few shows ideas that people have asked

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us to do and we'll be bringing those to

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you as well i'll like i say i've

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promised and i will go back and delete

1982
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this in a month's time if i've not done

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it that and we'll we'll get the review

1984
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of the three body problem out there as

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well and we'll discuss and speculate on

1986
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that too other people do ufo book clubs

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so it's not one that we plan on starting

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up but we'll just be discussing that

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particular book and some of the ideas

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within it as well yeah for sure

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awesome again folks dan thank you very

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much for your time

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thank you uh everyone have a fantastic

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new year i i hope you all have what you

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truly need given to you

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absolutely and make sure you check out

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the next sunday interview to drop on the

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podcast on the free feeds with ashley

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kibby tv presenter documentary filmmaker

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and soon to be friend of dan's out in

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colombia

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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remember to leave the podcaster review

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on your chosen platform you can like

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retweet and subscribe that would all be

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very much appreciated the shows are

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being uploaded onto youtube as we speak

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more and more you can sign up at

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slash that patreon.com

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please get in touch on twitter facebook

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folks as always keep looking up you

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never know what you might see

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is

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they thought this was noise they thought

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it was a dream they thought it was my

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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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it's very different

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so

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yes

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